Ongoing diagnostics are used at different times and in different ways by different docs

Posted on March 08 2013 by Pat Killingsworth | 3,441 views

I was running out of time and energy yesterday.  PET scan, Velcade infusion and other tests went fine and I arrived safely home by 4 PM.  There is a significant difference in the way doctors around the country test and monitor their patients–an alarming difference.

Yesterday I wrote this:

I have been writing about Total Therapy and the Myeloma Institute in Arkansas a lot lately.   My notes–and a lot of reader comment and debate–have centered on treatment philosophies.  But I should have also pointed-out differences in testing protocols between TT and many other cancer centers as well.  There is a significant difference in the way docs in Arkansas test and monitor their patients, and the direction my doctors and I have decided to go.

A couple of things before we get started.  Let’s use the acronym, UAMS, when referring to the Myeloma Instutute (at the University of Arkansas Medical School).

Next, let me give you my take basic, rudimentary take on the medical standard of care for testing myeloma patients–if there is such a thing.  I don’t want to get bogged-down with specifics here.  Just try and get a feeling for the timeline:

DIAGNOSIS

BASIC GENETIC TESTING, BONE SURVEY (X-RAY MAPPING), MRI AND OR CT SCAN, POSSIBLY PET SCAN, BONE MARROW BIOPSY (BMB)

6 MONTHS:  POSSIBLY FOLLOW-UP USING ONE OF THE SCANS ABOVE, USUALLY AN MRI.  POSSIBLY ANOTHER BMB

YEAR ONE:  BONE SURVEY, BMB, POSSIBLY ONE OR MORE SCANS

YEAR TWO:  BONE SURVEY, POSSIBLY BMB, ONE OR MORE SCANS AND REPEAT GENETIC TESTING HERE OR FOLLOWING A SIGNIFICANT RELAPSE OR STEM CELL TRANSPLANT

As I recall, this was the diagnostic and monitoring protocol at Mayo Clinic when I was there.  Moffitt Cancer Center here in Tampa follows a similar path.  So do a half dozen other cancer centers that treat a lot of myeloma patients I have visited.  I ask a lot of questions!

UAMS follows a far more stringent regime throughout a patient’s myeloma timeline.  And many other clinics do something in-between.  If some UAMS alumni would like to chime-in with specifics (they will whether I invite them to or not) that would be helpful.

I believe someone who works or is treated at UAMS would be SHOCKED by how haphazard and erratic testing and monitoring of myeloma patients can be.  For example, I’m guessing that a large minority of myeloma patients are never tested for genetic abnormalities when they are diagnosed.  Possibly if or when they get a second opinion (many don’t ever get a second opinion), but not through their local medical oncologist.

There are two rules of thumb.  The first (UAMS) lives and breathes testing.  At the other extreme, most–yes MOST–medial oncologists in smaller towns or inner city clinics only test “as necessary.”  Painful ribs?  X rays.  An MRI?  Probably not until a patient can’t walk.  Too expensive.

Personally, I’m a fan of what I would call “minimalist testing.”  These diagnostics are expensive, and in my case, take an entire day.  I hate wasting time!  So I love when we only run a test after I present a symptom that justifies it.

I want to refer back to my frame of reference so I can be specific and not speculate here.  Mayo Clinic is very organized.  I would get a schedule in the mail every three-six months, telling me where to go and what to do, based on the protocol I shared above.  One difference: genetic testing was ongoing (as needed) and went much deeper than your average clinic.  They are a pretty well funded, sophisticated place after all,

I have learned over the years that Moffitt Cancer Center can be hit-and-miss.  You see your specialist and he or she might look down and say:  “Pat, looks like you are do for a bone survey.  It’s been over a year.  Let’s schedule that before your next visit in two (or three) months.  That’s what happened with my latest PET scan.

The IMF’s Dr. Brian Durie is a big proponent of PET scans for myeloma patients.  Thinks they should be done yearly and/or as needed.  My specialist, Dr. Melissa Alsina,  likes them, too.  But another specialist at Moffitt, Dr. Baz, is an old fashioned guy and favors X ray surveys, period.

For me, there isn’t anissue with cost.  So last visit Dr. Alsina asked me, “Pat, when was your last Pet Scan?”  I said I hadn’t had one since my pre-transplant testing two years ago.  She flipped through her chart and confirmed it had been over two years.  “Let’s schedule one of those before our next (in three months) visit.”  I concurred.  My hip was deteriorating and it had been a long time.  “Great!” I exclaimed.  Her nurse made a not and scheduled it.

Taking this one step farther, when I reached remission six months after my transplant (It was the post SCT RVD, not just the transplant!) some doctors would have scheduled a BMB–the only way to confirm I was not in “CR.”  But we both agreed that wouldn’t be unnecessary.  The maintenance regimen we had already decided on would not change one way or the other.  So no BMB, no CR, just “remission.”  UAMS and some others would take this even farther.  I would have had a BMB and other tests to try and determine if I had achieved a stringent CR (sCR).

Good for them!  Good for you?  You make the call.  The patient gets to, by the way!  You are the boss, the head/coach of you myeloma health care team, remember?  But I’m sure if you signed-on for a more rigorous program, good luck with that!

Seriously, you knew (I hope!) what you were getting into and probably wouldn’t object.  Besides, then you can brag about being in sCR at cocktail parties and to all of your friends!  But you know what?  Although it might give you some piece of mind and push you up the overall survival stat list, you or I might still not make another year.  Heck, I might even have achieved sCR and not know it!  But who cares?  Unless these categorizations are going to change a treatment strategy, I argue they aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on.

You may not agree with me, and that’s OK!  We are splitting pretty small hairs at this point.  And once again I digress–and in a very controversial way.  Don’t let me distract you from understanding that you may need to be proactive and insist on testing during certain important points along your myeloma journey timeline.  Let’s review for an experienced patient one year post diagnosis:

* Insist on a PET scan at least once a year

* Go along with docs request for X ray surveys.  But they don’t help much

* Check-back and make sure you were genetically tested and categorized as low risk, moderate risk or high risk and why.  Discuss with your doctor if that should alter your overall treatment strategy

* Genetics should be re-tested after a transplant or anytime you relapse; at least every two years

* MRIs are much more useful than X rays.  Remember to try and get your diagnostics done at the same place whenever possible, ideally somewhere your specialist is used to using.  This will help them interpret films and compare them from year to year more effectively.  Common sense, right?

I’m sure I’m forgetting some important stuff.  This wasn’t intended to be a comprehensive list when I set-out to compose today’s post.  Maybe with the help of some of our incredibly sharp and intelligent readers we can come-up with a definitive timeline.  And I’m guessing the IMF working group has or is working on something like this.  I will check and report back later.

More homework.  It’s so frustrating, isn’t it?  That you need to remind your doctor when to be tested and what tests to use?  And then argue when they (or the insurance company) doesn’t agree?  Ridiculous! 

I’m going to stop here before I get too wound-up.  Enjoy your weekend everyone!  Hope you feel well enough to do just that.  If not, I’m thinking about and praying for you.

Feel good and keep smiling!  Pat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8 Comments For This Post

  1. Christina Neumann Says:

    Hey Pat, thanks for that information.
    I’m still wondering why my hem/onc won’t order a PET scan, he said if we need to do something well do an MRI . But I have asked repeatedly and he just doesn’t think it’s necessary. Am I missing something.?
    The latest on my shingles and arm pain,is its a neuralgia post shingles. He said it will take time to stop bothering me. The lingering question of the 2 small lesions bothers me, although he reassured me that with my numbers stable and my comparative X-ray from last year every things stable, that the lesions are probably old.
    I’m concerned why not a pet scan ?

  2. Pat Killingsworth Says:

    I wouldn’t worry about it unless you feel there are new aches and pains that can’t be accounted for. MRI is a great tool, too. Can check-up on those small lesions and will show other new damage. But at some point you need to ask yourself: why is he so opposed to PET? Cost? Unfamiliar with how to use and interpret? One strike of possibly three strikes that point to finding another doc–if one is available. This alone maybe not. But a red flag…

  3. Susan M Says:

    An MRI was how MM was found in me, as the regular blood and urine didn’t show anything. I presented with horrible back pain, and that is why each patient’s doctor needs to listen to our symptoms and complaints and treat us individually. We have different symptoms and different kinds of MM. I highly recommend second and even third opinions, if someone feels that is necessary. I was much more comfortable with my second oncologist than my first.

  4. Pat Killingsworth Says:

    Great points, Susan! Glad they were able to find it eventually. Why I have so much residual bone damage…

  5. suzierose Says:

    “Recommendations for the initial diagnostic imaging evaluation have been modified as a result of research over the past 2 decades. Radiographic surveys of skeletal bone have been the mainstay of multiple myeloma imaging and continue to be recommended for baseline evaluation (9,26). Bone scintigraphy is not useful because the disease process in multiple myeloma inhibits osteoblastic activity (72,73). The disease findings with more sensitive techniques such as MR imaging, multidetector CT, and FDG PET may alter staging in patients with MGUS or smoldering multiple myeloma; therefore, recently published guidelines recommend whole-body MR imaging for patients who have MGUS or a solitary plasmacytoma and a normal skeletal survey (3,26,29,31,45,46,74).

    In addition, MR imaging is recommended for the evaluation of any patient with multiple myeloma and neurologic dysfunction, which may be indicative of epidural disease compressing the spinal cord (26). Advanced imaging techniques also are recommended for better visualization of extramedullary disease, sites of pain, or focal lesions for the purposes of biopsy or radiation treatment (26,54). Although the most recent treatment guidelines do not require advanced imaging of all patients with multiple myeloma, findings at multidetector CT, MR imaging, and FDG PET have led to alterations of staging in 15%–25% of patients (9), and a recent publication advocates the use of MR imaging for routine staging, prognosis, and assessment of response to treatment (21)…..snip…

    …MR imaging and FDG PET/CT may provide complementary information for staging and post-treatment monitoring. A recent study by Shortt et al (41) demonstrated higher sensitivity and specificity with the use of whole-body MR imaging with T1-weighted and STIR sequences than with FDG PET/CT. Moreover, the combination of PET/CT and whole-body MR imaging was found to have 100% specificity compared with specificities of 75% for PET/CT and 83% for whole-body MR imaging alone (41). FDG PET/CT may be more accurate than MR imaging for detecting extramedullary disease, especially in imaging facilities where whole-body MR imaging is not performed, since false-negatives occur more frequently with non–whole-body MR imaging (21,41,54). In addition, FDG PET/CT may be helpful for assessing the response to treatment and evaluating residual disease, because bone marrow lesions seen at MR imaging may persist as long as 58 months after treatment (21). ”

    http://radiographics.rsna.org/content/30/1/127.full

  6. Pat Killingsworth Says:

    So there! Thanks for the technical backup, Myeloma Cinderella!

  7. Nick Says:

    I laughed out loud at this! :)

    “If some UAMS alumni would like to chime-in with specifics (they will whether I invite them to or not) that would be helpful.”

    I had, of course, already chimed in without such a request in the previous PET post.

    In a nutshell, PET and MRI are done:

    - before commencing therapy
    - one week in
    - before transplant 1
    - before transplant 2
    - after transplant 2
    - for the next year, quarterly MRI and annual PET
    - for the following year, semi-annual MRI and annual PET
    - thereafter, annual MRI and PET

    So yeah, a lot of testing. :)

  8. Pat Killingsworth Says:

    Thanks for the detailed laundry list, Nick! Insurance companies must love UAMS!

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